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New Orleans Erasing History, Confederate Monuments Are Officially Coming Down…
Hasn’t ISIS been ripping down monuments declaring them heretical?
Via The Hay Ride:
The New Orleans City Council voted 6-1 today to remove four historical monuments in the city: Robert E Lee Circle, PGT Beauregard’s City Park statue, the Jefferson Davis monument and the Liberty Place monument.Mayor Mitch Landrieu first requested the proposal back in June after the AME Charleson Church shooting. At the time, Landrieu said he wanted to hold a “60-day discussion period” so that residents could converse about the four monuments on the chopping block.Though, the Hayride exclusively reported how the Landrieu administration knew that they had the votes to remove all four monuments before even proposing the idea. Also, the Mayor’s administration apparently has been looking into warehouse spaces and construction companies to remove the monuments since August, even though the “60-day discussion period” was not over.Councilman Jared Brossett compared the monuments to the “Berlin wall,” while Councilwoman Susan Guidry said she and others were “justifiably offended” by the monuments.Councilwoman Latoya Cantrell and Councilwoman Stacy Head, however, felt differently. Cantrell said she felt “disrespected” by Landrieu for proposing the idea with no input from residents or the City Council.Councilman Jason Williams, though, said that other council-members should not be “too upset” with the Landrieu administration for bringing up the issue.Cantrell also took a major issue with the fact that Landrieu suddenly got an anonymous donor to pay for the removal of the monuments. Cantrell said she and the residents of New Orleans deserved to know who was behind removal of the monuments.The Hayride exclusively reported months ago that the anonymous donor was Democrat-funder John Cummings, however Cummings denied being the anonymous donor.Head, the only ‘no’ vote on the monuments issue, said removing the monuments will do nothing for the city, saying that she asked for a compromise, but that compromise was not “given any chance.”Last month, Head confirmed exclusive Hayride reports which found that the Landrieu administration had been looking into construction companies and warehouse spaces for months now.
Cantrell also confirmed last week that she was actually against removal of monuments because she felt as though the Landrieu administration had rammed the process through the city, taking no input from historians or residents.
I still don't understand why people can't research history and understand it for what it was. The south didn't invent slavery. Nor was the war started over slavery. Read the Emancipation Proclamation. It specifically freed only slaves that were held in the south, while allowing slavery to remain in the north. If slavery were truly the issue, why did Lincoln not free all slaves? The north had far more slaves than the south had. Yet somehow we've allowed ourselves to believe over the years the confederacy was responsible for slavery.
MWS
From: Victor Abraham
There were some things about the confederacy that was noble...slavery was not one of them...States Rights was.
I personally would not fly the CSA flag but, I see nothing wrong with others flying it. The left truly are the intolerant ones.
From: Lorra of Pantherville
The rewriting of history continues...This is wrong on so many levels. The people doing this are no better then the Islamist's who are blowing up historical sites. What a shame. All these confederate sites could just as well be thought of as how far we have progressed as humans. Instead, they are being AH's bu showing how far we are declining as humans. Truly as joke on this once great country. Those who refuse to learn from history....
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
― George Orwell
― George Orwell
And the removal of Confederate battle flags and other monuments has done absolutely nothing to quell the racially-motivated violence. All this does is encourage the race-baiters and thugs to demand more and more. It's like giving in to a three-year-old's temper tantrum where the kid learns what he or she needs to do to get his or her own way and the parent loses control and may never get it back.
Lar of Galen...I should probably give my little treatise about the political, economic, and principled reasons for most Southerners supporting the Confederacy, but I’ll stick to the current issue as best I can. And as Victor says, slavery moots the good things the South stood for. But there were more men of honor on the South’s side than on the North’s. Our late pastor theorized that some of the great Christian men like “Stonewall” Jackson had to die before God could allow the South to fall. It would be one explanation for why the South won all the major engagements up until Gettysburg, which is the first big battle after Jackson’s death.
I think it is harmful to try to erase or ignore any aspect of history, and wrong to dishonor good men even if their side was not entirely in the right. I could probably fly the official flag of the CSA without causing a ripple because most people only know the Battle Flag (“Southern Cross”), which was originally a naval ensign but adopted by land forces because of the confusion the “Stars and Bars” caused in battle.
Stars and bars
I don’t believe any man deserves to be deified, but if there were ever any truly pure men of honor in US history, I’d venture they would be George Washington and Robert E. Lee. Lee was a brevetted Colonel (a LtCol temporarily promoted to fill a Col’s position) in the US Army stationed in Texas, and when we seceded, all Federal troops were ordered out of the state. When he got to the railroad station in Galveston, the teamsters there refused to place the “blue belly’s” 200+ pound trunk onto the train. This forced him to abandon his personal belongings, which disappeared from history. When he reported to Supreme HQ in DC, he was offered command of the entire Union Army, meaning he would be promoted over scores of senior officers! He declined, knowing that Virginia would probably secede soon, and he said he couldn’t lead troops against “my country”. It was pointed out that staying in the army at his current rank would only reduce the number of men under his command, but not prevent him from having to fight fellow Virginians. He therefore resigned his commission, and retired to manage his wife’s estate. He was pressed to accept a commission as a Brigadier (one star) General in the Confederacy because of his experience, but was originally relegated to staff work in Richmond. He rose to command the CS Army’s largest contingent, the Army of Northern Virginia. After the war, his wife’s estate – Arlington – was confiscated and turned into a Federal cemetery to punish him. So a man who personally opposed slavery had his home taken for daring to fight for the South. Yeah, let’s tear that bastard’s statue down.
What if some future American president wants to remove MLK’s statue in D.C.?
I don’t know the numbers of slaves on either side at the time of the war, but the Emancipation Proclamation was issued at a time when the North was still losing. Lincoln had hoped it would incite an insurrection in the South which would tie up Confederate troops and give the damnyankees a fighting chance.
For Lincoln, the issue was preservation of the Union. He famously said “If I could preserve the Union by freeing all of the slaves or none of the slaves, that is the course I would take.”
Slavery was a moral issue for the nation, and a serious economic issue for the South. The North was industrialized and being flooded with immigrants anxious to find work. They no longer needed a massive, mandatory labor force. The South, however, was still wholly dependent on cotton and tobacco. And at the same time they wanted to eliminate the means of production, the yankee-controlled Congress placed a high tariff on goods imported from England. England, in response, greatly lowered its purchase of American goods – namely cotton and tobacco. Since England was still our primary customer, the South was being pressured on both ends of the the economic equation. While ending slavery was the moral thing to do, it’s a whole lot easier to be moral if you aren’t starving. Founding Fathers like Washington and Jefferson opposed slavery on a personal level, but would not have been able to compete with their agricultural rivals without it. Washington did stop purchasing slaves, and deemed that the children of his current force would be born free.
Believing that Lincoln would engineer an end to their means of production, destroying their economy, the Southern states saw no recourse but to separate from the North. There was nothing in the Constitution to prevent states from seceding, but the North opted to use force to make the Southern states remain. In order to separate, the Southern states naturally had to expel all Federal troops from their territory. Most left peacefully, but they continued to occupy Fort Sumter on the grounds that it was built with Federal funds. [For some reason that has a familiar ring to it] This position was taken for the very purpose of forcing the South to fire the first shot, giving the North the moral high ground again.
The reason this is important to us today, other than offering historical arguments about what the true causes of the war and who was right, is the subjugation of the states to an ever-growing, ever-hungry central government. We have far exceeded the Constitutional limits placed on the Federal government, and these excesses have long become institutionalized. States are supposed to set their own speed limits, but if they don’t comply with the wishes of the central powers-that-be, the Feds will withhold highway funding (which came from the states to begin with). This may seem trivial until you see it repeated endlessly. And we have the potential for another “civil war” situation. One of BO’s big “moral” issues is “Climate Change”, which is blamed on the use of evil fossil fuels. He already has greatly damaged the coal industry, driving up the cost of electricity just as he promised. He has made similar attacks on the petro-chemical industry, which is primarily centered in the South. But darned if those guys didn’t make advances in fraking, which has driven down the cost of gasoline instead of “necessarily skyrocketing” as he planned. But he has until February 2017 to frack with us, so we will see if the Union survives him or not.
PS: Another thing about the Emancipation Proclamation -- Not only was it issued regarding slaves in a foreign country (The Confederate States of America) over which he had no jurisdiction, it was an Executive Order, not a law passed by Congress. Doesn’t that, again, have a familiar ring to it?
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